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u/charlesthefish 3h ago
I feel like I've read this headline 20+ times in the last 15 years
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u/suomenska 3h ago
Same. And it's always on Reddit somehow.
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u/Jinjinz 3h ago
With zero sources or names.
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u/Coonicon2009 2h ago
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u/Sir_Boldrat 51m ago
Yeah, is that a family-orientated cancer research institution? Because the President is the father of the main researcher who made this breakthrough
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u/Wooden_Editor6322 40m ago
The simple answer is we cure cancer, nobody writes it down and then cure it again.
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u/accuratepoopscavanag 2h ago
That's because most of those are just "we found a way to kill cancer in a petri dish." The idea of actually "reverting" them back to normal is a much more interesting path than the standard search for a slightly better chemo.
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u/VP007clips 2h ago
And even when it does translate to working on humans, it's usually one specific type of cancer that it is effective on.
Cancer won't be cured in a single breakthrough. Instead, they make thousands of smaller breakthroughs. And those small breakthroughs make steady progress on improving outcomes; survival rates are steadily increasing for all types of cancer.
The closest thing to a general cure that we might have anytime soon is customized treatments tailored to the DNA of a tumor.
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u/Acrobatic-Count-9394 1h ago
People mostly don't realize that "cancer" Is an aggregate name for body malfunctions of the same type that can be vastly different in details, effectively making for hundreds required approaches to "curing"
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u/Kyleometers 1h ago
This is true for a lot of diseases, tbh. I’m sure most people talk about “the flu”, not realising that the thing we call “the flu” is about fifty different strains of similar viruses that change every single year as it mutates.
It’s just useful to have a group name, but it should be obvious to people that lung cancer, bone cancer, and blood cancer work nothing alike.
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u/GhostOfFreddi 1h ago
In science "the flu" is always influenza. Sometimes people use the term to refer to any of the multitude of viruses that cause "the common cold".
Cancer is just a broad term for unrelated diseases that usually have uncontrolled cell growth in common as a symptom.
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u/Buckshot_Millie 1h ago
Aye, "cure cancer" is like saying "cure viruses," it's medically nonsensical
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u/mithie007 1h ago
This one hasn't reached petri dish status yet. According to the paper they discovered this was possible in a computer model.
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Because Cancer is not one thing. For one, there are like 200 different kind of cancer, all of wich has different mechanisms and different cells affected. Not to mention that they are in the body, affecting your cells, so even if it works outside of the body on one kind of mutated cancer cell, it might not work in the body in random enviroments.
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u/PickledMessage 2h ago
Yeah, its nothing new or revolutionary like all the others
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It is new or revolutionary like all the advancements in cancer reshearch, but there won't be a single thing that can just "cure cancer" we got many types of cancer that we already know how to cure, or to wich we have a vaccine already. But there are many more for wich we don't
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u/DragonfruitGrand5683 1h ago
They try many types of experiments on mice which then don't translate into humans.
I've also seen scientific announcements that have been announced before and I've seen similar years before.
And then you have scientists lying about results for funding, results that fail to replicate.
Now I celebrate only when a treatment is actively being practiced.
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u/Affectionate_Net_168 1h ago
Headline should correctly be: some very specific types of cancer cells can sometimes be reverted back to normal cells in a petri dish with very specific genetic engineering tools that only work in lab cell culture.
Every cancer is unique, this will never work on every tumor, if it even works on a single tumor. Even if it is possible to turn this discovery into a therapy (which i doubt). This is lightyears away from improving patient surviveability.
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u/Woffingshire 55m ago
Probably because with stuff like this it will have been discovered 20 years ago and been in testing to try and make it an actual safe and viable medial procedure ever since.
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u/BeefistPrime 54m ago
Because non-scientists are trying to make preliminary research sound exciting. When we find a treatment that works in an animal model, we're still like 5 steps away from it working in a human. Maybe the human has some genetic or biochemical difference that wasn't obvious that makes the treatment not work. Or maybe it's toxic to us because there's a substance that rat kidneys can handle that ours can't. Or maybe it's a good treatment that improves a specific cancer's survival rates 10% better than our current best treatment, in which case it's an important discovery, but not the "cure for cancer" headlines that everyone is looking at. Probably 90-95% of the leads we get in preliminary research end up in a category like that.
What it is absolutely not, but what everyone on reddit assumes, is that it's a "cure for cancer" and therefore the scientists were all killed and the research was all buried (even though the papers were out there) and every doctor and medical research in the world is in on the biggest conspiracy ever to keep you sick.
That stupid conspiracy theory supposes that these companies spend billions of dollars finding new treatments, and then when they find one, they bury it never to be seen again. Even from a "all corporations are evil" sense, that seems pretty stupid.
And the idea that there's "no money in curing cancer" is fucking absurd. If you actually had a cure for cancer, do you know how much you can sell it for? The idea people have that you can sell a repeating treatment for more money than a cure is ridiculous.
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u/nanoman92 32m ago
Because you have. Don't blame the scientists, blame the media overinflating what they've achieved and selling it as "cancer cured" every single time.
The result is people like u/fullcircle052 below going full conspiracy theorist. But hey it gave some clicks to the website posting this, so I guess it's worth it!
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u/Bulky-Pineapple-5639 1h ago
….and then the group is on a plane, booked by the pharmaceutical industry shortly after 🥺
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u/AggressiveContest399 1h ago
And someone pointing out they've read this headline x amount of times in the last x amount of years is always the top comment.
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u/SzoboEndoMacca 54m ago
And every time this comment also comes up with the same comments below it. Deja vu
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u/jeanpaulsarde 18m ago
Because cancer cells always can do that. They usually just don't feel like it.
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u/spypanties 3h ago
Dearest Korea, Sure wish we heard about this in October. Sincerely, My ex-tits
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u/TheBuddy96 3h ago
I feel for you, but ex-tits is a really funny way to describe it
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u/passcork 1h ago
Reminds me of Monthy Python's dead parrot.
He's not pinin'! he's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! he's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig! He's kicked the bucket, He's shuffled off His mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX TIT!!
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u/One_Alternative_6965 3h ago
💀🤣 i am so sorry. But was a beyond funny comment! Hope you are well!! ♥️
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u/spypanties 3h ago
i'm just like Beyoncé I went solo I cut the girls loose 👑
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u/SherbertConsistent47 2h ago
Good thing your username is spypanties. spybra would be a real bummer now.
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u/DannySanWolf07 3h ago
For real though I hope you're recovering ok.
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u/NegativeCellist8587 3h ago
You ex tits missed out, they didn’t see the humor in you. Their loss.
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u/spypanties 3h ago
They knew they've been with me the whole time why do you think I got rid of them they knew too much
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u/spypanties 3h ago
Thanks it's just weird with clothes now and working out like I have to work out like a guy now lol
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u/ibite-books 2h ago
wdym? like develop the chest muscles?
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u/spypanties 2h ago
yes because they scoop out the breast tissue and then they reconstruct the breast at essentially where the bottom of the breast would be, so you have a sunken area and I need to build that part up to fill the area so it is not sunken. so it's consistent and rounded; you know that line you get down the middle of your pecs like that
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u/Square-Dragonfruit76 3h ago
They report stuff like this without sharing how far they are in the research. It was successful on animals but they haven't started human trials yet, so even if you knew about it you wouldn't have been able to do it.
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u/Erdionit 2h ago
They used a networks biology approach to identify a molecules as a potential treatment targets… and then picked one for validation that was already known as a potential anti-cancer drug for over 10 years. I guess they provided a theoretical framework for why it works? Still seems a bit sketchy to select a molecule for validation that‘s basically guaranteed to produce the desired outcome.
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u/AlexisExploring 3h ago
Hey, but now they are customisable
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u/spypanties 2h ago
yeah and I was really looking forward to that, but you have to go through this wicked painful process in order to do that, and I figured it wasn't worth it. so I'm just gonna order some big huge juicy bazongas from one of the cross-dressing stores that I found online and then just wear tight tops all the time; I'm looking for buy-me-a-house set of boobs. this is all just comedy I don't mean any of it, she lied
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u/ThrowRAkakareborn 2h ago
This response reminds me of something from 2 and a half men, as Charlie tells Alan, their mom turns anything into a negative, that if you’d tell her you’ve cured cancer she’d be too bad you couldn’t do it sooner, maybe they could have saved uncle Henry’s nuts
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u/spypanties 2h ago
maybe that's what kind of woman I am sardonic bitter salty it's almost like I had my tits cut off that kind of thing yeah that's my mom she's channeling through me if you tell her oh it's a nice day out she'll be like well it's too bad I didn't dress for it
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u/ThrowRAkakareborn 2h ago
Hey if you can joke about it, while I know nothing bout you, I know that takes strength.
I’m sorry you had to go through that, not sure if it’s appropriate to say or not, i’m terrible at knowing where I cross a line, but I say this with the utmost respect and well intended, you can get new ones, plus right now, daaamn, they work magic, you can get a pair that will rival any other pair out there, plus you get to choose, size, shape, whatever you want
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u/JustAUserInTheEnd 1h ago
I can imagine how the sucks, but even with this article talking about it this research is still pre clinical haven't started human studies yet and is still more so proof of concept then full on treatment. Maybe in 10 years but it's still a while aways my condolences
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u/Hyperdyne-120-A2 1h ago
Listen, you’ve got a clean slate. Slap a couple of magnets on them bad boys and you can have any size, shape, colour or function of boob you like.
Set of headlamps? Go for it! Chest horns, have at it. I say get someone to commission a pair of devil and angel heads and get to a comicon.
Worlds yours u/spypanties go and own it!
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u/tyrmael91 35m ago
Ever since my grandmother passed away from cancer when I was 7 years old, I have always been terrified that this disease would take my mother too.
As I grew older, and not without a touch of dark humor, I started saying that if my mother were ever taken by cancer, they would probably find the cure in the months following her death.
Well, my mother passed away about ten days ago after a year-long battle with a brain tumor. So maybe this time, they will truely make it. At the very least, I hope so for everyone else going through this ordeal.
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u/MetaSuffering 56m ago
I can't forgive what they've done to them! Can you show me the newest condition of poor ex-tits?
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u/jmike1256 3h ago
Professor Kwang-Hyun Cho’s research team has recently been highlighted for their work on developing an original technology for cancer reversal treatment that does not kill cancer cells but only changes their characteristics to reverse them to a state similar to normal cells.
This time, they have succeeded in revealing for the first time that a molecular switch that can induce cancer reversal at the moment when normal cells change into cancer cells is hidden in the genetic network.
KAIST (President Kwang-Hyung Lee) announced on the 5th of February that Professor Kwang-Hyun Cho's research team of the Department of Bio and Brain Engineering has succeeded in developing a fundamental technology to capture the critical transition phenomenon at the moment when normal cells change into cancer cells and analyse it to discover a molecular switch that can revert cancer cells back into normal cells.
A critical transition is a phenomenon in which a sudden change in state occurs at a specific point in time, like water changing into steam at 100℃.
This critical transition phenomenon also occurs in the process in which normal cells change into cancer cells at a specific point in time due to the accumulation of genetic and epigenetic changes.
The research team discovered that normal cells can enter an unstable critical transition state where normal cells and cancer cells coexist just before they change into cancer cells during tumorigenesis, the production or development of tumours, and analysed this critical transition state using a systems biology method to develop a cancer reversal molecular switch identification technology that can reverse the cancerization process.
They then applied this to colon cancer cells and confirmed through molecular cell experiments that cancer cells can recover the characteristics of normal cells.
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u/wolwire 3h ago
Looking at this did they apply to a single cell in research and how are they going to extend to human treatment?
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u/Fresh-NeverFrozen 2h ago
Very cool work, but they should explain the limitations that this was with a single type of colon cancer. No data to expect that this will magically work with every cancer type, not even every colon cancer type. Still a great accomplishment and will lay foundation on which to build more research and hopefully future clinical trials down the road.
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u/Angelicalbabe03 3h ago
Big respect to the scientists working on this. Progress like this gives people hope.
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u/Sociolinguisticians 3h ago
This is neat, but has not even been tested on mice, let alone humans. Meaning that it is years away from even being potentially useful.
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u/Managarm667 42m ago
But that doesn't make as nice as a headline for the research institute and the "journalist" writing this kind of bs.
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u/Lone_Wolf_0110100 3h ago
Now they have to be protected from the pharma sharks
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u/CaptainAlexy 3h ago
Most basic scientists do not have the time and resources to test, manufacture and bring new drugs to market. Unfortunately if you want your discovery to reach patients you have to get in bed with Big Pharma.
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u/Common-Method2202 1h ago
Would prefer if they actually took it. It will only be publicly available through big pharma. Then screw em over by forcing prices to go down 😂
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u/BeefistPrime 50m ago
Yep, because pharma companies pour billions of research dollars into finding treatments, and then when they find them, they kill the scientists and bury the research and make zero dollars off of it. And every medical researcher and doctor in the world is just fine with it, because they didn't spend their lives trying to make people healthy but instead to keep the secrets of eeeevil corporations.
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u/ajatshatru 42m ago
Pharma sharks want it already. Most money is in supplements. People are too stupid. People live longer = have more cancers = more money to be made.
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u/You_Stole_My_Hot_Dog 1h ago
Man, we really need to change how we report these things to the public. There’s a lot of negative comments here since the headline makes it sound like they have invented a viable treatment. But this is fundamental research. This is very important to our understanding of how cells transition into a cancerous state and they show that we can intervene this process. However, they are not claiming that this is a cure to cancer or is a treatment option. It’s simply to deepen our understanding of how cells and cancer work. Other research will build on this before anyone attempts to translate this into treatments.
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u/BeefistPrime 46m ago
It's extremely irresponsible news reporting. It's wrong, it over-promises, it has no context. It's not something people who aren't experts can really put into context. The vast majority of preliminary research fails to make it to any sort of useful treatment, and when it does, it's usually an incremental improvement and not a revolution. Which is fine, cancer survival rates have basically doubled in the last 30 years due to incremental improvements. But sensationalist reporting with non-expert readers have no way to contextualize this, so then people read these headlines and ALWAYS think it's a giant conspiracy.
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 3h ago
Imagine being the guys and gals who created a medicine that basically tells cancer sells to sit the fuck down shut up 😂
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u/Powerful_Bridge_3814 3h ago
Smells like bullshit. Seems there's a new cure every week yet the studies are always preliminary bs that never eventuates into anything. It isnt worth reporting on except to generate clickbait horse shit
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u/Maxwellmonkey 1h ago
Scientific studies are interesting even if preliminary, but the layperson discussions around it act like it's the ultimate cure every single time.
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u/BeefistPrime 49m ago
It's a problem with the reporting, not the research. Non-scientists writing science are awful, and news as entertainment is awful, so we get a preliminary treatment where it has a 95% chance of not working out and people get all excited and when it doesn't work out for some completely predictable reason they make it into a giant conspiracy theory
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u/Plinio540 21m ago
that never eventuates into anything.
If often eventuates into something. You just don't hear about it. Succesfull clinical trials aren't widely reported in mass media. It typically takes many years from initial research into clinical practice. Unless they win a Nobel, you will never know who's behind certain treatments. Who do you think developed our current treatment techniques?
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u/Erdionit 1h ago
What a misleading headline. They developed an statistical framework for identifying potential treatment targets based on the transcriptional profile of tumor cells. Using this method, they identified a gene target, which they then validated using a molecule already known for its anti-cancer properties, so that part of the results is hardly surprising.
They have not developed a treatment. They did not try to develop a treatment. This would be much more interesting if they had identified and validated a novel target, but that was never the aim of the study.
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u/Brokobana 3h ago
Their lives are no longer safe. Big Pharma will hunt them at all costs. Please secure the formula!
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u/jujsb 2h ago
I've read the same headlines over and over again. I work in a medical lab and I can assure you, they are safe. I am safe. Everyone is safe. At first I laughed at this meme, but now I'm getting annoyed every time I hear something like ”you're getting killed by Big Pharma“. This stupid as fake conspiracy. Also, the ”formula“ is always under very specific circumstances and with specific cell lines. As far as I know, this experiment hasn't even been tested on mice, just on Petri dishes. But that's not fascinating enough for a headline. So don't worry, Big Pharma will not hunt them at all cost, even if they have the ultimate cure for every type of cancer and every type of patient.
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u/dashcam4life 2h ago
Been seeing a lot of positive medical developments from around the world. Let's keep it going.
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u/bluetimotej 2h ago
We always see these breakthrough news but when are we gonna see them in the wild? Seems the methods are not even being used like why is cancer not eradicated already with all these breakthroughs? :(
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u/Goatf00t 13m ago
This was mostly done in computer modeling. They've barely made experiments on isolated cells in a petri dish, let alone animals, let alone humans.
It requires a vast amount work to get from the point described in the article to an actual treatment.
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u/huanglhian 1h ago
wait this is actually insane if it’s real?? imagine cancer cells can just turn back to normal cells like that. huge respect to the scientists sia, hope this becomes something that can actually help ppl soon 😭
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u/Jealous_Amount_9278 1h ago
Alright now everyone make sure they never get on the same plane together as a group.
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u/BronzeMaster5000 1h ago
So is this a big thing or no? The article was released a year ago but i cant find if they released an update on that treatment method yet?
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u/spasticwomble 1h ago
Call this what it is. Bullshit. If by some fluke it is true and I have reservations it will never ever happen. Every week there is some great breakthrough cancer therapy that is announced and disappears never to be seen again
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u/Impossible-Sounds 1h ago
They can turn back, but the real question is, will they ever be accepted and reintegrated within the normal cell community, especially after all the damage they have caused? 🤔
Will we ever ask why these cells even became cancer in the first place? What actually pushed them down this path?
Also, why should they change? Why can't we have a community that accepts cancer and learns to live with them rather than change them.
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u/topredditbot 59m ago
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u/MaguroSashimi8864 51m ago
Wait, I thought a Spanish scientist contributed this? Or is it two simultaneous cancer research?
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u/Homely_Homie 51m ago
Why has there been a surge of news posts with nothing but a picture? Cite a souce, please
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u/Brucestertherooster 45m ago
Ok then let my UT medical hospital team know this so maybe I can avoid lung surgery in a couple weeks. Also let my wife’s medical team know this since she was diagnosed couple days ago. Thanks in advance
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u/Kagrenac8 42m ago
I think people are a bit insane with always complaining on posts like these about "well when is treatment gonna be available??? It will die on the vine!!" While overlooking the fact that even in a lab setting, reversing cancer cells back to normal in an insanely prominent research outcome, regardless of how applicable it will eventually be.
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u/Playful_Finding3458 39m ago
This is the kind of news that gives actual hope, not hype. Hope it reaches real patients soon.
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u/JusSayING_Mi 30m ago
I wanting this to be true sounds like a cure. Let’s hope it’s just not another rumor
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u/oldyongnewoldboy 24m ago
This feels like a very bizarre Reddit post for some reason. Not the best so I can say.
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u/Educational_Goal5877 23m ago
Real heroes.Fuck politicians and millioners.These kind of people should repesent humanity.
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u/Simple_Guess_8521 22m ago
Lets wait for this to be replicated in other labs across the world and then lets see.
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u/Pitiful-MobileGamer 15m ago
If I was a wagering person. My bet would be on this research being purchased by a large bio pharmaceutical corporation, and then promptly lost or destroyed.
The money is in the treatment, not the cure.
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u/Zip_Archive 9m ago
Don't be a cellfobic, just because they different doesn't mean they need to be cured.
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u/PerceptionGreat2439 2m ago
Cancer is beaten! (again)
No disrespect to the team and their dedication but, I've read this headline many many times over the decades.
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u/AccordingFisherman45 2m ago
I feel like I See these articles all the time. But somehow never see the actual fruits of the labor in the real world.
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u/robidaan 1m ago
Its a shame he will trip and fall out of a window during a pharmaceutical meeting. Very clumsy scientist.
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