r/clevercomebacks • u/jeezkillbot • 18h ago

Obvious to anybody with half a brain

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u/taktaga7-0-0 18h ago

The number one cause of youth homelessness in America is conservative parents kicking out kids for being gay.

Policies that out LGBT kids to their homophobic parents cause serious harm. It won’t make these kids straight. They sought help at school because they couldn’t get it at home, and they’re being betrayed.

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u/HyperactivePandah 17h ago

Is that a real statistic...?

If yes, you somehow managed to lower my opinion of the average conservative parent, which I didn't think was possible at this point.

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u/Adorable_Pain8624 17h ago

About 1/3rd of homeless youth are lgbtq+ and 1/2 have some sort of mental health struggle.

Specific reasonings tend to be mixed and not quite that detailed.

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u/HyperactivePandah 17h ago edited 14h ago

So 10% of the population makes up about 33% of the youth* homelessness, and a massive percentage of them have mental health issues, most often due to horrible home lives.

Yeah, I'd say you nailed it.

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u/aldmonisen_osrs 16h ago

Unfortunately people will see those statistics and push causation over correlation

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u/Synecdochic 14h ago

The causation is definitely there, the issue is they invert it the responsibility.

Being queer greatly increases your likelihood of homelessness because homophobic parents kick out their queer kids.

The queerness is the "cause", in that it's not unrelated to the homelessness. The framing just takes agency from the homophobic parents for their role.

Really, it's that "having homophobic parents increases your likelihood of being homeless", because they kick out their queer kids.

The homophobia is the cause, in that it's the inciting belief in the decision to inflict homelessness.

In both framings there's a causitive relationship between queerness and homelessness; for both it's true that "their queerness resulted in them being homeless". The latter just puts the responsibility where it actually lies: homophobic parents.

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u/BeefistPrime 12h ago

I think you mean they'll reverse cause and effect - that they're gay because they're mentally ill, or that they're mentally ill because they're gay, rather than that they're suffering because of the people treat them because of who they are.

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u/globmand 15h ago

Youth homelessness, for clarities sake. Like still bad, but older homeless people are much more varied in who they are and why they're homeless

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u/HyperactivePandah 15h ago

For sure, and I got my 10% number from 'percentage of teen LGBT population'

It said 7-12%

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u/globmand 15h ago

Oh yeah, 10% seems realistic, it's just your comment said 33% of homelessness, when it's 33% of youth homelessness

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u/HyperactivePandah 14h ago edited 13h ago

Oh I see, thanks, edited.

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u/MapleSniff 12h ago

Those numbers are heartbreaking, but sadly not surprising at all.

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u/Heavy_Law9880 17h ago

As someone who worked with a lot of street kids in the 80's/90's I would estimate half were kicked out for being queer in my very catholic US city. The horrifying part is what those kids had to do to survive on the street.

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u/DewyDazzlee 12h ago

Sadly yeah, there’s plenty of data backing it up, and it’s as grim as it sounds.

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u/Scoobydewdoo 16h ago

It's not a real statistic, per se. As others have said LGBTQ youth are much more likely to be homeless than non-LGBTQ youth however there's no hard evidence that it's entirely due to conservative parents. There's plenty of influencers on the Left who preach low tolerance for anything even remotely anti-LGBTQ, including telling trans youth to "divorce" their parents if they won't let them get a sex change operation until they are 18. I wouldn't at all be surprised if a significant amount were LGBTQ kids who wrongly assumed they could leave their parents and enter the foster care system.

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u/sleetblue 15h ago

Me when I make shit up

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u/HyperactivePandah 15h ago

"It's not the parents that are the problem, it's the lefty influencers telling them it's okay to be Trans!"

You wonder if they read the stuff they comment sometimes.

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u/YoureDumbAsHellLeroy 15h ago

Ah yes, let’s listen to the guy who responded to a question about “cults that pretend they’re not cults” with this:

the LGBTQ movement (specifically the people who participate in Pride parades and all the other supremacist activities)

I’m sure he has some really interesting and totally unbiased things to say about LGBTQIA+ individuals….

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u/taktaga7-0-0 14h ago

Hey, wanna explain how somebody marching in a gay pride parade is a “gay supremacist?” I’d like to hear the “independent” perspective.

Do you believe President Trump when he says there is a “transgender for everyone” movement?

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u/Voodoo_Dummie 2h ago

One of the standard advices for lgbtq youth for years, one that the organisations don't like to give, is to remain "in the closet" until they are financially independent. Going low or no contact can follow as is the case for a wide variety of abusive households.

So it seems you half-remembered the concept of a no-contact relationship and you filled in the blanks to fit your preferred narrative, if we're already busy pulling assumptions from our asses.

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u/sweetb00bs 12h ago

The majority is officially mentally unhealthy. Op is just making shit up bc they're idealistic

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u/Over9000BelieveIt 16h ago

Back in 2001 my coworker and I were talking as you do and his just nonchalantly dropped if either of his kids told him they were gay, he'd shove them out the door immediately. they were younger than 7 at the time. all I could think is man how do you look at your child at that age and say I'm already ready to drop you for being different. He was proud to be Catholic though.

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u/Thrashbear 16h ago

I just don't understand parents who hate gay people more than they love their kids. I just don't get it.

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u/stinky-bungus 14h ago

These are the kind of people that should never have kids or be around kids

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u/Excellent_Law6906 13h ago

Dick fuckin Cheney kept his gay kid. Like, I just sit with that, sometimes, when I hear about/from these people.

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u/A_Punk_Girl_Learning 11h ago

My mum is Catholic and is a teacher in a Catholic school. My siblings and I were raised in religion. When I came out mum reassessed her faith but never once considered loving me any less.

If a person can't love their queer kid they shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

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u/fordianslip 14h ago

I have a friend who we asked this of when he was saying being trans is a mental illness. His hesitation in responding said more than his response.

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u/Unintelligent_Lemon 17h ago

Yeah. I knew a kid who got kicked out for being gay. His mom said adopting him was her life's regret

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u/riverglassgarden 16h ago

This kind of story often turns into a debate about ideology, but it also highlights how support systems outside the family can play a huge role in a kid’s stability and confidence, especially when trust at home is complicated

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u/Mmaibl1 17h ago

That is a very interesting stat. Can you prove it?

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u/taktaga7-0-0 17h ago

https://www.hrc.org/news/new-report-on-youth-homeless-affirms-that-lgbtq-youth-disproportionately-ex

LGBT youth make up 40% of homeless youth, with a rate 120% greater than their heterosexual peers.

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u/unoriginalsin 17h ago

They will use this statistic to show that homosexuality causes homelessness.

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u/WranglerFuzzy 16h ago

Bold of you to assume they wouldn’t just make up any statistic they wanted

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u/unoriginalsin 16h ago

Porque no los dos?

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u/Otherwise-4PM 18h ago

And her going public with it is proof she’s abusive.

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u/Pavlock 18h ago

Quite the self-own, actually.

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u/Lessiarty 17h ago

Sadly only a self-own to people with a shred of decency. To the folks, as OP intimated, without half a brain, they'll be howling at the moon that they're forcing the kids to be gay and this is the proof!

That poor kid...

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u/MapleSniff 12h ago

Yeah, and meanwhile the kid’s the one paying the price for all that nonsense.

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u/BeefistPrime 12h ago

lack of self awareness is one of their defining traits

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u/MapleSniff 12h ago

Yep, she basically told on herself without realizing it.

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u/Hot-Softie-23 3h ago

She chooses to be oblivious to the fact that her son lied to her because of how she would react, and her reaction is enough proof of why he would lie to her

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u/Juicy_Candie-04 31m ago

She just further proved the point behind him lying to her

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u/PeacefullMiind 17h ago

Yeah, blasting your kid’s situation publicly like that really does say more about the parent than whatever narrative she’s trying to sell.

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u/sunkissedxbee 15h ago

Yes, if she was a good mom she would be asking her self why her son cant trust her enough but she dont care at all

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u/Blephotomy 13h ago

what's the point of having an LGBTQ+ child if you can't contribute to the right wing hate-o-sphere

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u/valley_east 17h ago

What are you talking about? She's clearly the victim here....

/s got ya

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u/Scoobydewdoo 16h ago

How exactly? If she knew she was abusing her kid the last thing she would do is tell the world. More likely the mother is just ignorant and the kid is either too afraid to tell her they are LGBTQ or too brainwashed to believe that the mother could change her mind about something.

At some point the LGBTQ community has to stop thinking of themselves as victims and start thinking of themselves as people.

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u/Blephotomy 13h ago

She doesn't think she's abusing her kid. She thinks she's going to "fix" her kid's sexuality.

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u/Scoobydewdoo 38m ago

Fair enough.

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u/ChrisRiley_42 16h ago

How about when people like you stop abusing them and treat them like people?

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u/Scoobydewdoo 41m ago

I do treat them like people, it's not my fault if they don't think that's good enough.

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u/softie_Tip8612 17h ago

If a kid feels safer telling school staff than their parent that says a lot about the home situation

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u/Lost-Compote-5177 14h ago

yeah it’s pretty telling when school feels like the safer space smh yk

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u/MapleSniff 12h ago

Exactly, kids don’t hide stuff like that unless they’re trying to protect themselves.

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u/ao01_design 15h ago

I misread and thought he was getting math tutoring from an LGBTQ+ support group and that tracked for me.

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u/PrismaticDetector 17h ago

Honestly it was probably helping the kid in math, too. Kids who have supportive and accepting communities around them experience less stress. Stress impairs focus, memory and problem-solving performance.

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u/jackalope268 17h ago

And hed probably get friends from it, and friends often study together as well

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u/BoppinTortoise 17h ago

Telling the world you child Lies to you is not a flex

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u/Wilfried84 16h ago

Telling the world you child Lies to you ^for good reason^ is not a flex

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u/MapleSniff 12h ago

That’s a pretty big reach, sometimes kids lie because home isn’t safe.

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u/VampArcher 12h ago

'was put into'

'Okay, little Timmy, the school is making you attend gay club, off you go.'

People who believe this shit can vote, remember this.

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u/A3HeadedMunkey 16h ago

Oh, cool. So her reaction was to endanger every other child who was keeping it on the down low. Really proving you're not a psychopath.

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u/Kobayashi_Maru186 17h ago

She’s the reason her son needs a support group, instead of getting love and respect at home. 😑

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u/lazygerm 17h ago

Being in the closet sucks.

Not being able to trust the people who brought you into the world is an ugly, ugly feeling to bear. It's hard enough to come out when you believe your parents would support and love you.

Never mind this bullshit conservative mom laying their child's laundry out to dry in the public.

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u/Ok_Dog_4059 17h ago

Brandi really went off the rails didn't she.

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u/Objective-Pick8240 16h ago

They act as if a support group that this kid felt they needed, and sought out on their own accord is like joining a violent gang or something.

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u/BeefistPrime 12h ago

Ah yes, she's the victim, the parent who made their children so afraid to be rejected and hated that they had to lie to her about getting basic social support.

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u/Dudewhocares3 16h ago

“He was put into”

Doubt.

I’d wager 50$ he went on his own free will

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u/redditonlygetsworse 14h ago

Yes, that's the post.

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u/wrhnj 17h ago

They say mothers are the first to know. This one seems to be in denial.

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u/NevernotDM 12h ago

In the state of Washington, children 13 and older have the right to make their own mental health care decisions. Including what therapy and support groups to attend. Mom had no need to be informed if the child was over 13, legally. 

Source: Middle school counselor in Washington who runs small groups and also runs queer club. 

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u/WranglerFuzzy 16h ago

She can wipe her tears with one of the three American flags she keeps behind her.

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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 17h ago

Parents just don’t understand. 

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u/POTGanalyzer 14h ago

When i was in high school I was drunk everyday. They suggested I go to the group for alcoholic teens, I was not forced it was only suggested.

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u/flounderfred08 7h ago

Sounds gay

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u/Naps_And_Crimes 16h ago

I'm imagining she pictured her son with a text book that says math on the cover walking into a room to learn about math and it's just a giant gay orgy

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u/New_Priority_63 15h ago

Plus, from about 67% of them. The father is in the closet, which I don’t like that comparison. The father has a beard. I’m not saying that’s the reason. I’m pointing out that the ppl sooo mad about inclusion are the ones that would benefit.

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u/SuchFudge1109 11h ago

I think & bet she's gonna sold her son to sex slavery to her bf

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u/Complete_Break1319 10h ago

How old was the child? Big difference if it was a 7 year old or a 16 yo

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u/TheRealDeal82 17h ago

Anyone who was involved with this in the school should be immediately thrown in jail and barred from every being around children again. It's straight-up child abuse

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u/Sheerluck42 16h ago

Do you think the school put the kid in the group without their knowledge? Like they showed up and was "wait...this isn't math" and then just stayed? I truley wonder what you think happened here.

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u/Acrobatic-Ad-3335 17h ago

How's that?

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u/Smiling_Burrito 17h ago

The hell are you talking about

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u/Heavy_Law9880 17h ago

Are you talking about the people who outed the child to their abusive mother?

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u/Dudewhocares3 16h ago

Maybe if she wasn’t a homophobic bitch, her kid would’ve came out to her

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u/Galle_ 13h ago

The mother should be thrown in jail and barred from ever being around children again.

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u/taktaga7-0-0 13h ago

You have cancer of the soul.

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u/Andreus 13h ago

No it's not, dipshit.